Hello Kelly / MCRF list,
You get some exposure to microwave
electromagnetic radiation
by standing around microwave ovens when they are on. The holes are
supposed to be smaller than the bandwidth of the radiation, so not
let any out, but some radiation gets out anyway. Maybe most of it
that gets out is smaller than the holes in bandwidth, I am not sure.
My ex wife (an MD) noticed one time the microwave interfered with
some commonly used electronic device (I forget what it was), so did
not want the children near it when it was running.
Guys like my grandfather got huge doses of
microwave radiation
working on microwave towers while they were on. They all died
eventually from it, if they did not die of other causes prematurely.
But the doses were enormous. I think best to play it safe, and
consider any amount of microwave exposure is dangerous, just as with
asbestos (some people got cancer from one exposure to asbestos), or
radiation from nuclear weapons and power (something we are all
exposed to now, every place on Earth, some places more than others).
At the same time, it is likely, that most people getting low level
exposures, are not harmed.
Being harmed by low level exposures to
carcinogens, particle
radiation, or electromagnetic radiation, can be genetic, or just bad
luck, for example if one of your DNA strands just happens to
get "hit" a specific way into a dangetrous self replicating mutation
(such as cancer). Some people, who are lucky, or with more resistant
genes, can be exposed to high levels without obvious harm. Or they
may be other environmental factors which make one more or less
resistant to the exposures. Get enough exposure, to microwave
electromagnetic radiation or particle radiation, you will have
serious health side effects up to death, though it may be many years
before these side effects take effect.
I am convinced some faction(s) of
the US government have, and
probably still are, illegally exposing American citizens to
microwaves as part of illegal experiments or efforts at societal
control (keeping "secrets" including illegal ones, controlling
peoples intellectual or labor productivity, controlling peoples
sexuality, enslavement, human robotisation, compelling persons to
follow illegal orders, crush civil disobediance and minority groups
struggling for their human / civil rights, supress crime etc...).
There is also a lot of "incidental" unsafe levels of exposure from
various commercial military and intellegence / national security
activities. It is well known, and openly admitted to as high as the
level of president (Clinton), that many Americans have been
illegally, and legally, exposed to particle radiation up to the
level of lethal doses, including experimentally by the US army. To
assume there could not be any similar programs which have yet to be
exposed, or are even still active, given the nature of those
experiments which have been exposed, is illogical in the face of the
publicly disclosed evidence.
Damage an organ enough, it will
fail, tem[porarily or
permanently. Microwaves damage tissue, and can be directed at
specific organs. It is obvious that microwaves can cause any organ
to fail permanently in the body, by simple organic damage. Organs
when damaged, and failing temporarily, can often recover their
functions. We do not need to torture any monkeys or lab rats
to "prove" this is true. Whether symptoms reported by alledged
victims are due to their being victims, or if they are victims or
not, is not always so easy to determine. Contagious delusion can
include very similar reports, even when the people are not in clsoe
contact, such as by internet. Contagious delusions can also be based
upon actual victimisation to begin with, or can be a mixture of
delusion and actual victimisation.
In the US, as in the USSR before,
there is systematic
supression of reports by victims of those illegal governmental
programs which have not yet been admitted to, or are still active,
civilian and especially military. To sort out all the symptoms,
decide if they are delusional, due to other medical conditions not
related to human rights abuse, or what has specifically caused them,
is virtually impossible under such circumstances, as was the case in
the USSR under the former KGB (versus the reorganised KGB which
protects human rights in the former USSR agaisnt "high tech" abuses,
which still go on, but are prosecutable, unlike in the US, as often
as not, by summary execution, much as the KGB operated before).
At the same time, in the US, the body of
evidence is
overwhelming that there has been massive (effecting on the order of
thousands to millions of people), as yet publicly undisclosed
experimentations and illegal manuipulations of humans, by US
governmental factions. One can invoke "aliens" to explain this, but
even if this is the case, these crimes are being perpetrated under
governmental auspices quite often, so it is some sort of problem, at
least in part, with our own governmental institutions, even if they
are infected soem way externally (aliens, enemy agents, globalist
elites, some sort of collective mental disease etc.).
Of course victims can be offended even
at the suggestion their
symptoms might be delusional, or due to ordinary medical problems. I
am more interested in better udnerstanding of these ilelgal
activities, as a scientist (one of the very few openly working on
this problem, other than those who are after "aliens", and one of
the very few with experience in this area in the former USSR), thaqn
the sensitivities of victims. Due to lack of resources, victims need
to be better informed, to make up for some of the lack of resources
(such as lack of trained scientists and lab and field work by
trained persons).
Due to massive brain washing, more than 90% of
the US
population is not going to accept most of the claims being made by
the victims community, as being anythinge xcept delusional or
probelms not related to illegal experiments or manipulations of
humans (if it is done by aliens, it is still illegal, if in
violation of local laws). So the victims community is socially
isolated, and there is a natural tendency, to accept too many claims
as factual or as exactly as reported. Thiis despite the victims
community, well udnerstands, that there is intentional confusion of
victims perpetrated, false memories, false causes for their symptoms
suggested etc... Such as in my own case, where it was suggested to
me under hypnosis and drugging, that the surgical wounds on the
bottom of both my feet in 1982 were due to glass cuts from the beach
(they did not realise I always wore shoes on the beach in that
period). Now there is not even any attempt to confuse me as to what
the various objects in my feet showing on X-Rays are, such efforts
have been abandoned as futile.
I am sure microwave radiation can
cause diverse symptoms,
symptoms which will be different in different victims. And microwave
electromagnetic radiation has been widely used, including in my own
case (I am not even sure why, except to leave less noticable
scarring, at one time it was even pleasant as I was on the run and
very cold and wet, to be heated up a bit). My wet multi layer
clothing was even noticably hotter on the outside, on one side, than
on the inside. As a more obvious type of activity (such as by heat
sensations similar to what my grandfather and other workers exposed
to microwaves report), there can be a tendency in the victims
movement to over ascribe too many symptoms to microwaves. Where as
less obvious criminal behaviour, such as use of unpublished drugs
upon victims, can be under considered.
My ex wife is specifically a
pharmocological specialist, she
worked in thsi area as a researcher, MD / PhD, including in
experiments upon humans in the Moscow prison system, as a KGB
officer for the KGB. She is now working in Michigan as an MD
(psychiatrist). She was also working for Santa Barbara County
California as a psychiatrist (illegally with no license, they were
so eager to field test what she knew they had her working with no
license for the county). Her work can even seem pretty benign, her
patients are generally very satisfied with her work, as is local
government. Her patients do better, feel better, and are much less
likely to get into trouble with the law and to be able to hold jobs.
If you study revolution and the
throwing down of human rights
abusing governmental groups, you will soon learn it si specifically
criminals and dangerous psychotics which are required to ignite the
spark of social reform. In the USSR, my ex wife also worked to keep
scientists out of trouble and functional, especially by the use of
complexes of low dose drugs (so the patient almsot does not even
know they are being drugged, with many of these complexes most
people will nto know they have been drugged, I was told at UCLA I
had been given about 25 different drugs, I was not even aware I was
being drugged, except that I was gassed prior to surgery).
Control intelligent people, reformers,
criminals, religious
fanatics, seperatists (including communalists), dissidents,
psychotics, well enough, you destroy societies ability to reform
itself, and can entrench despotic orders who routinely violate human
rights. It can get tot he point, where reform requires a general
collapse of society, such as in the former USSR (frmw hich they have
hardly recovered, many would go back if they could, even most, as
tyrannies generally do not abuse most of their citizens, only those
they think they need to abuse to stay in power and continue the
abuse).
A wide array of methods are being used
in America, and have
been being used, to establish and maintain "order", very much in the
style of the nazi programs which were captured and employed by
Stalin and the USA after the war. These being imitated by the PRC
closely (the master imitators), and Israel obtained a number of
jewish slave scientists from the nazis involved in such programs.
There have even been major reforms, such as in the US army, but as
they were not made public, none have gone nearly far enough (maybe
just far enough we have not quite "evolved" to the level of the nazi
social order yet).
Drugs, electronic brain washing /
conditioning, torture,
implants, surgeries, radiation of various types, brain to brain and
brain to artificial intelligence networking etc., all these factors
and more are now at play in the US. Without these illegal
activities, the streets would be running with blood by now, or the
current administration would have been thrown down and replaced
already, possibly with a duly elected administration, or one that
respects and causes to be enforced US laws regrading the human
rights and liberties of US citizens.
Liberty is won and maintained by the blood of
patriots. Apply
enough technology, and you can strip away the ability of patriots,
including criminal and psychotic ones (as were many of our founding
fahters, known criminals and obvious psychotics, as well as ordinary
radicals and intellectuals), to shed their own blood, or suffering,
in the defense of their own people.
Think about the nazi "triumph of the
will". It was the triumph
of the will of the state, over the will of the individual. That is
where we are now, in American society. Nazi derived technology and
strategy, much improved, has been used for the triumph of the will
of an unelected ruling class, over the will of the individual, and
the collective American people. Can anyone, of even average
intelligence, with a clear understanding, imagine the American
people have simply become weak, to almost without protest, tolerate
what has happened? Two presidential elections stolen, the
elimination of a large part of the middle class for the benefit of a
few wealthy persons, millions, including for the first time since
the great depression many women and children, being made homeless by
contrived direct competition with the desperate slave labor
populations of other nations including the PRC, minority leaders
sytematically crushed including by torture and false imprisonment,
massive human rights abuses of our enlisted men and women, obscene
radiation weapons being used in "war" upon foreign peoples who have
never made any act of war or aggression on the American people, the
list goes on.
Without massive control of American society,
through a vast
arsenal of weapons of social control, brain washing in mass via
television, drugging, the blackmail of homelessness for you and any
family that stays with you should you happen to do your duty as an
American, the illegal wars of colonialism alone would have caused
the American people to have risen up and thrown down the current
unelected American dictatorships.
As Stalin and Hitler proved, to conquer
the will of your own
people, you only need to conquer about 1-20 percent of your people.
The rest are simply sheep that will follow any leader in power, even
to the slaughter (as in Germany). In America, about 4% of the
population has been ruthlessly conquered, by murder, rape (such as
in jails and prisons as orchestrated byt he guards, often they are
bribed to orchestrate it by the unelected elites), blackmail,
extortion, forced drugging, implants, surgeries, irradiation,
reeducation, bribery, false imprisonments, engineered conflicts
between those being manipulated, mercenary police and criminal
activities, brain washing, manipulation in mass of the American
opinion / psyche pool etc...
All American people are victims of brain
washing, via
television. Not so many Americans are victims of radiation,
implants, surgeries, or drugging by force or without their
knowledge, or of torture, rape, or false imprisonment via agents of
the "state". Most victims of these crimes (other than brain washing
by television), are nto even aware they are victims, that is the
nature of the technology, that the victinm is not consciously aware
they are a victim.
Those who are aware they are victims,
are one of the last
viable fronts against the internal and external enemies of the
American state who have virtually destroyed democracy, and hope of
democratic reform, in America, with their obscene array of nazi
dervived technologies, methodolgies, and societal strategies.
Understanding the weapons, arsenals, tactics etc. of the enemy is
very important. It is also important to understand their agendas,
long term strategies, and who they are really out to get, versus
just random victims and experimental subjects. The enemy is out to
conquer, and enslave, the American people, they have already been
mostly successful at this. Their top priority, is those Americans
who can fight them, or who have resources which can assist those who
might fight them, especially weapons scientists (such as myself),
and soldiers and police. With their technology, they can take
ordinary sheep at will. Very few now, are strong enough to resist a
full assault by them. Nobody could resist them, if they pulled no
stops, and not be in deep hiding. The only reason they do not crush
all opposition fully, is it would mean bloody civil war, there are a
few left, who can fight them, and who they have bypassed rather than
having full scale war now. Most of these, are not protesting the
current state of affairs publicly.
Only 100 yeara ago, to msot
Americans, this post would not
have seemed very long if they had any real interest to read it. Now,
the attention spans of most Americans has been so reduced, they
would not read to this point even if interested. We can defeat the
unlected tyrants by blood, loss of property money and income, and
pain, we can also defeat them with intellect and democratic reform,
more likely, some combination of both. Now, more and more Americans,
and mroe and more outside of America, begin to become aware there is
something horrible at play in America, something dangerous to
Americans, and to humanity, potentially, more dangerous than nazism,
Stalin, and the Imperial Japanese ever were. Stripped of virtually
all of our leaders and top intellectuals, we mostly are groping
along in the dark. It is not that the American people have been
abandoned by their scientists and natural populist leaders, it is
that their scientists and natural populist leaders have been
systematically murdered, neutralised, stripped of their abilities to
inform or lead, bribed, threatened / intimidated into silence,
tortured, brain washed, falsely imprisoned, robotised etc...
As the masses wake up from their dream
state induced by
neonazi science and the neonazi American police prison state, they
will be very angry. The polcie state is in an arms and technology
race to maintain its power against ever stronger and more numerous
rivals for power, especially against the people themselves. In every
case, where powers which were violating human rights in mass were
thrown down, and order was reestablished, there was some sort of
negotiation and amnesty, for those violators who promised to reform.
O)f coruse like many, if it was jsut me, I would rather just kill
and be killed until every last whore son of them was dead, hanging
over a slow fire, locked up or driven into the sea. But it is not
jsut me, it is millions of people, including collateral assets. And
if we becoem like the enemy, torturing raping and murdering
prisoners of war etc., then we are no better than them.
There was a massive allied failure after
WW II. That failure
mainly involved instead of reforming against the systems of Stalin,
the Nazis, and the Imperial Japanese, instead secretly, even openly,
instituting the methods and social orders of these collectivised
slave states. If we fight another World World, or American Civil
War, and fail to learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. The
Soviets have failed to reestablish order, but they have succeeded to
establish reform, as the most abused people of any great Cold War
state. Our unifying principle, as Americans, and as globalists, must
be reform, protection of human rights, protections of workers
rights, reforms about control and over sight of the jaws of state
and military by the people etc... Also we need to sign on to, and
practice, international treaties such as proposed by the Russian
Federation and engineered by Loptain and others, which the current
US administration has refused to sign or support (against "high
tech" abuses of ones own citizens).
With mdoern technology, to kill
and destroy, is easy. What
may not prove so easy, is to make peace, and to create lasting and
enforceable reforms, which will save the peoples of technologically
advanced nations, and their subject peoples, from the human rights
abuse horrors witnessed over and over these last 75 years. The
victims movement in the US, which flourishes now, is not new. It is
just part of an ongoing series of victims of states which have gone
out of control, perpetrating massive and often horrible crimes
against their own citizens and peoples of other nations. Now we are
in the horrible dilemma, as Americans, that our own nation, with a
long history of horrible human rights abuse in other nations
(usually through puppet regimes, such as that of Saddam in Iraq),
now is turning upon its own people, within the territorial bounds of
America, and openly practicing torture of prisoners of war and
radiation warfare in the American colonies.
I am glad to see so many voices now speaking
out, even if not
always in a harmonius nature, in my native America. The silence of
my fellow scientists, and of military police and high level
populists leaders, is deafening, and obviously artificial. The enemy
has taken control of most of the arsenals, of weapons, and of the
human mind capable of arming the American people as demanded by our
constitution (in a manner capable of over throw of the government
and military should the need arise). However, the enemies of the
American people, internal and external, did not quite take every
arsenal, of weapons or human minds, did not quite take every police
and military position, capable of giving them viable resistance in
case of open warfare. I hope our civilian peers, who are on the rise
now, understand this, that not all in weapons science, the military,
the police, and national security and intelligence, are in the hands
of the enemy. And that for some, silence, is an issue of survival.
Best Wishes,
Alan Van Arsdale
(biologist UCSB graduate / USAF veteran honorably discharged fomerly
with Top Secret clearance)
--- In mindcontrolresearchforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kelly Taylor"
<kelly1533@m...> wrote:
> Hello Allen
> I have to agree with you. I would not say that any amount
microwave energy is safe. The U.S. government limits the exposure
level, in general, to 10 milliwatts per square centimeter. I would
even believe that this is high as long term low level exposure is
really not known as the government would say.
> Kelly
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Van Arsdale<mailto:alanv@s...>
> To:
mindcontrolresearchforum@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mindcontrolresearchfo
rum@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mind Control Research Forum] Do
Microwave Weapons
Kill
>
>
> Hello Mind Control Research Forum,
> Just look at
what microwaves do to food in a microwave
oven
> to know microwaves can kill. If your brain and other
vital
organs
> get cooked enough, you will die, enough microwave
radiation at
less
> than lethal levels, youc an have problems.
> My grandfather
(fathers father), and others I have talked
to,
> worked on microwave towers while they were on. They
report
> feeling "hot" and other symptoms. My grandfather died
of a rare
form
> of blood cancer, which only people exposed to
microwave
radiation
> get. Most who did such work did not live nearly as
long as he
did
> (he died at age 74). My grandfather had them use
bleeding to
treat
> his condition. He was exposed to microwaves mostly in
the US and
> Saudi Arabia.
> In early 1982 I
was microwaved some. I could feel the heat
> from it. Microwave radiation can also reduce scarring
from
surgery,
> such as illegal experimental remote torture or mind
control type
> surgeries (thus leaving less evidence of it).
> If anyone is
getting microwaved very much, or over time,
there
> are serious health issues from it. If neurons were
cooked by
> microwave radiation, then it would be expected (short
of death),
if
> there was enough microwave exposure, it could have
many effects,
> including amnesia on an organic basis.
> Best Wishes,
> Alan Van Arsdale (biologist UCSB graduate - USAF
veteran)
>
> --- In
mindcontrolresearchforum@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mindcontrolresearchfo
rum@yahoogroups.com>, dunl254@a<mailto:dunl254@a>... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 9/11/2005 6:04:49 P.M. Central
Standard
Time,
> > acgelo@h<mailto:acgelo@h>... writes:
> >
> >
> > " It is clear that microwave energy, at
certain frequencies,
> energy levels,
> > and types of modulation can affect the brain,
even though we
> haven't proved
> > this for ourselves, in such fashion as to
cause lost of short
> term memory
> > and/or urinary and peristaltic
movement incontinence. The
> military and the
> > government knows this to be true."
> > This is classified knowledge apparently,
which is why we get
> the "nut case"
> > treatment from society. I think we can attack
the problem of
> microwaves being
> > harmful from a perspective that society can
acknowledge. IT
> infrastructure,
> > the possible secondary ionizing effects on
the cellular
level,
> and the
> > presentation of research already performed in
a manner that
will
> prove our point
> > are all possibilities that can pass
legislation restricting
the
> amount of
> > artificially produced microwave
radiation.
> > -------------------------
> > I wish that I could be as certain but my
gut tells me that it
> isn't enough.
> > People believe what they can see, hear,
and/or feel. Without
> experimental
> > results and demonstrations, it will be a
hard sell to the
> authorities and the
> > general public that microwave energy alone
can have such
drastic
> effects upon
> > the body's biology. On more than one
occasion, I, like many
> other targeted
> > victims, have experienced these biological
effects "perhaps"
due
> to being
> > microwaved. On at least one or two
occasions, I actually saw
the
> suspected
> > perp who was acting as something of a spotter, to
personally
> observed that the
> > expected effects had actually taken place.
> > As I recall, it was Dr. Byrd that said he
had used remote
radio
> signals on,
> > I believe mice, to cause their brains to
produce and dump
large
> amounts of a
> > certain neurotransmitter. It would be
a very impressive
> demonstration if we
> > could repeat such studies and be able to
demonstrate how
> microwaves and
> > electromagnetic energy could be used to
manipulate, at will,
a
> lab animal such as
> > a dog or cat to urinate or defecate or
whatever other
behavior on
> command.
> > All without the need for implants or
electrodes based upon
> nothing more than
> > specifically generated modulated RF
frequencies and
> electromagnetic fields.
> > Bob D.
> > ----------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________
> > From: dunl254@a<mailto:dunl254@a>...
> > Reply-To:
mindcontrolresearchforum@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mindcontrolresearchfo
rum@yahoogroups.com>
> > To:
mindcontrolresearchforum@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mindcontrolresearchfo
rum@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Mind Control Research Forum]
Do Microwave
Weapons
> Kill
> > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:26:42 EDT
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/11/2005 1:30:45 P.M. Central
Standard
Time,
> > acgelo@h<mailto:acgelo@h>... writes:
> >
> >
> > I don't understand the debate over the potential
harmful
effects
> of
> > microwaves. It's plain and obvious, and can be
demonstrated
with
> a simple microwave
> > oven.
> > ------------------------------
> > There is no debate. It is clear that
microwave energy, at
> certain
> > frequencies, energy levels, and types of
modulation can
affect
> the brain, even though
> > we haven't proved this for ourselves, in
such fashion as to
cause
> lost of
> > short term memory and/or urinary and
peristaltic movement
> incontinence. The
> > military and the government knows this to be
true. Yet when
we
> targets point
> > these things out as symptoms of mind
control abuse, we get
> written off as nut
> > cases.
> > Bob D.
> > ------------
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________
> > From: dunl254@a<mailto:dunl254@a>...
> > Reply-To:
mindcontrolresearchforum@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mindcontrolresearchfo
rum@yahoogroups.com>
> > To:
mindcontrolresearchforum@yahoogroups.com<mailto:mindcontrolresearchfo
rum@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Mind Control Research Forum] Do
Microwave Weapons
Kill
> > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:13:51 EDT
> >
> > Do Microwave Weapons Kill?
> >
> > _http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000CBC91-B6FD-1E51-
> A98A8093C588010
> > 5_
> > (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000CBC91-B6FD-
1E51<http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000CBC91-B6FD-1E51>-
> A98A8093C5880105)
> >
> > The U.S. military says HPM weapons are
non-lethal, but that
> doesn't mean
> > free of harm. .... Meanwhile, scientists at
the Oak Ridge
> National Laboratory
> > in Tennessee have proposed building an
electromagnetic pulse
> weapon that would
> > disrupt a person's short term memory and
cause him to lose
> control of
> > involuntary body functions.
> >
> > _Science & Technology at Scientific
American.com: Do
Microwave
> Weapons
> > Kill?_
> > (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000CBC91-B6FD-
1E51<http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000CBC91-B6FD-1E51>-
> A98A809EC5880105)
> >
> >
> > Bob D.
> > ---------
> >
> >
> > ONE DAY AT A TIME , WE WILL WIN.
> > > >